Uncircumcised penises... and the shame associated with them

[Guest]

I'm not attracted to penises, but I can offer prospective of having to service one ...

TMI Ahead:

I have dated two guys who were cut and two who were not. I ... don't really like giving hand jobs to guys that are cut, cause they're more sensitive, it's easier to hurt them and you require A LOT more lube. Uncut guys have that skin protecting the more sensitive bit, while also being able to be manipulated. For hygiene, I never had any issue with the foreskin being "dirty" - if you pull it back in the shower and wash, it's no different than a cut one. Just like women sometimes have to pull flaps of skin apart in their parts if they have enough it causes folds that keep bacteria/moisture locked in and block the shower from cleaning properly. And, also, you can feel the scars from the circumcisions and in some people, those scars remain sensitive and painful the rest of their life - my ex could not stand me getting my mouth directly on the scars from his circumcision.

Aesthetically, I don't really like how penises look. But, I dislike seeing the head all the time, so I prefer uncut really if I have to look at one. :P

As for sensations it causes me, there is a difference in how it feels during intercourse. I don't know which one is "better" cause I don't like either, but, it felt differently.

I don't agree with doing it to an infant that cannot make the decision, except for medical issues (foreskin sometimes can be an issue and has to be removed so they can pee properly or not be in pain). I've read some stories from adults who had it done after converting and some regretted it, due to decreased sexual pleasure and the like. So, it seems like something one should be allowed to weigh the risks for before choosing to do it or not on their own, not something parents should decide for them.

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OK, first, I am European and most European men are uncut, so it is also a matter of what you are used to... Aesthetically I don't see any difference, in both cases it is just a penis, who cares.

Technically, my personal impression (not a statistically significant number of experiments ^_^) is that circumcised men have problems with orgasm when using condoms, meaning they often (always? I don't remember) needed to finish with no-condom handjob. Could be related, I've read some debate about "circumcision is wrong because you have less feeling afterwards" (as the uncovered penis is rubbing against clothing etc.) - but it was not objective, the people were all just very anti-circumcision.

I've never had sex without condom, so I can't comment on other aspects.

I would not change anything about my genitals or about my looks in general - once I got terribly offended when guy who tried to flirt with me in a bar said "but please, don't use this green eyeshadow anymore" when saying goodbye.

[m4rble]

I would not change anything about my genitals or about my looks in general - once I got terribly offended when guy who tried to flirt with me in a bar said "but please, don't use this green eyeshadow anymore" when saying goodbye.

That guy is terrible at flirting.

[Fire & Rain]

I don't think anyone should chop off any part of any child's body when there's no medical reasons to do so. If someone wants to be circumcised when they are off age, go for it but like one poster has said it's easier to do at a young age.

I think you should ask this on a forum with more sexual people. I don't care about how penises and vaginas look. I don't think most asexuals would care either.

[Fire & Rain]

I would not change anything about my genitals or about my looks in general - once I got terribly offended when guy who tried to flirt with me in a bar said "but please, don't use this green eyeshadow anymore" when saying goodbye.

That guy is terrible at flirting.

I think it's one of those "pick up" techniques where they make women feel insecure about their looks and lower the self-esteem.

[m4rble]

I would not change anything about my genitals or about my looks in general - once I got terribly offended when guy who tried to flirt with me in a bar said "but please, don't use this green eyeshadow anymore" when saying goodbye.

That guy is terrible at flirting.

I think it's one of those "pick up" techniques where they make women feel insecure about their looks and lower the self-esteem.

That's a stupid technique.

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I would not change anything about my genitals or about my looks in general - once I got terribly offended when guy who tried to flirt with me in a bar said "but please, don't use this green eyeshadow anymore" when saying goodbye.

That guy is terrible at flirting.

I think it's one of those "pick up" techniques where they make women feel insecure about their looks and lower the self-esteem.

I thought it was more like "you are so beautiful naturally, why do you use all this colors?", anyway I hate this "you should look natural" attitude so no success :-p

[Guest]

I would not change anything about my genitals or about my looks in general - once I got terribly offended when guy who tried to flirt with me in a bar said "but please, don't use this green eyeshadow anymore" when saying goodbye.

That guy is terrible at flirting.

I think it's one of those "pick up" techniques where they make women feel insecure about their looks and lower the self-esteem.

That's a stupid technique.

Stupid technique, but sadly works. Someone I know uses "ignore the pretty ones, so they feel like they aren't attractive and will then pursue you to prove they still are"... and actually gets girls feeling so bad about themselves they do want to prove themselves by bagging him :(

[Fire & Rain]

I would not change anything about my genitals or about my looks in general - once I got terribly offended when guy who tried to flirt with me in a bar said "but please, don't use this green eyeshadow anymore" when saying goodbye.

That guy is terrible at flirting.

I think it's one of those "pick up" techniques where they make women feel insecure about their looks and lower the self-esteem.

That's a stupid technique.

Stupid technique, but sadly works. Someone I know uses "ignore the pretty ones, so they feel like they aren't attractive and will then pursue you to prove they still are"... and actually gets girls feeling so bad about themselves they do want to prove themselves by bagging him :(

Blame the sitcoms for that lol

[Crunchy Poster]

I would like to distinguish that "female circumcision" isn't equivalent to male circumcision because in the first, they remove the clitoris, which renders no physical arrousal. It's a control thing and medieval. Patriarchal control of women. Who think women are just breeders and the removal of clitoris ensures she won't have sexual arousal and cheat on her husband. Keeps her in line! With male circumcision at least the penis still works. I understand uncut is more sensitive than cut, but at least the apparatus is amputated that works.

When I was still sexually active, being an American, circumsized was the thing and it was all I knew from boyfriends, husband, pictures etc. I always wanted to have sex with an uncircumcised man but there were none in my world that existed! Lol

[Crunchy Poster]

Edit edit!! Damn autocorrect! I meant * at least the apparatus isn't amputated that works.* not is amputated. Smdh

[Crunchy Poster]

As for the topic at hand on shame, in my opinion there shouldn't be any shame for being uncut. I understand the trend is now frowning more on what used to be standard without-question procedure on baby boys, and more and more parents are not curcumcising their sons. So soon enough there won't be an American stigma.

[scarletlatitude]

I saw a commercial for the new "Bad Moms" movie, and they mentioned that a girl should run away from an uncircumcised penis. :( It made me think of this thread immediately.

[LenaLuthor]

I don't think circumcision is a "barbaric" practice, but I'm not a man either.

Oh, but it is. It's extremely painful. destroys 16 functions and serves no real function at all.

[Grumpy Alien]

I have no experience with this but I wouldn't care. I probably would not have a son circumcised. (Unless I marry a Jewish man or something.) Aesthetically, they're both just body parts to me when flaccid. Erect, it's really on an individual basis. Some look too menacing too when they're circumcised.

[Peachyy]

Some look too menacing too when they're circumcised.

A mean mushroom?.... You seemed to say lol.

[Grumpy Alien]

Some look too menacing too when they're circumcised.

A mean mushroom?.... You seemed to say lol.

A good way to put it haha

[borealmist]

I would like to distinguish that "female circumcision" isn't equivalent to male circumcision because in the first, they remove the clitoris, which renders no physical arrousal. It's a control thing and medieval.

Unfortunately, male circumcision can have the exact same effect. It does reduce sensation, and while it doesn't always become a significant problem, for men who have a reduced sensation naturally or who have to eat medication like anti-depressants that in turn reduce sensation, the actual result can be the same and the man is prevented from being able to experience orgasm from intercourse. Which can of course also be accompanied with impotence, which carries further stigma.

Reduced sensation can of course be a good thing for some, but there are many reversible methods of reducing sensation, while there are essentially no ways to increase it.

So, as there's no way of knowing who will have their sex life ruined by the circumcision, or who will want to have it as an adult, I regard the practice as unconscionable.

And of course it's a control thing with men as well. On the family level, coercing the parents into violating their childs bodily integrity is a brilliant way for religious leaders to tie the parents to the religion by complicity. A child risks serious social consequences by questioning what was done, as they then have to blame their own parents. It becomes more difficult for parents to question the religion, as they'd then have to face their own act. On the personal level, the intent is to mark the group belonging in the flesh. Historically, at least the Jewish tradition was much less severe, but was changed to make it irreversible because reversing it became popular for various reasons through history, and if you look at the biblical origin, there's no requirement for such a severe version that is done today.

Also, when it comes to FGM, for a supposedly patriarchal practice, I found UNICEF's recent report quite interesting:

“In Guinea – the country with the second highest prevalence in the world – 38 per cent of men and boys are against the continuation of FGM, compared to 21 per cent of women and girls."

“The same pattern is seen in Sierra Leone, where 40 per cent of boys and men want the practice to end, compared to 23 per cent of girls and women.”

According to UNICEF, Guinea has the most striking difference in terms of men and women’s perception of FGM, with 46 per cent of men and boys saying female circumcision has no benefit, compared with just 10 per cent of women and girls who say there are no benefits.

[divided_sky]

From what I can tell, the only people who would really ridicule it one way or the other are the real superficial folks, anyway. I don't think most actually care

Yeah... but you're a man... in mainstream media an uncut penis is joked about... there are even several humiliation porn videos (non nude) where women ridicule an uncut penis.

I'd also like a woman's perspective.

What is that? Are they just yelling at the penis? Telling it it's unworthy of love and ugly as sin...

[LenaLuthor]

It really makes me uncomfortable that people circumcise babies. Seems like they should let those people make that decision for themselves.

The thing is

1) It's generally a lot... simpler, to have it done as a baby, along with various other medical procedures

No it's not. Even if it were, it's better to not do it at all.

[ChadSmith]

TMI and maybe offensive to circumcised guys!

Yeah as someone who has done things to both, all I can say is uncircumcised is vastly superior sexually (and aesthetically!!). They are much more lubricated, moist, pinker, softer, and so much easier to just..do things to with your mouth and hands. You can even see pics online of uncircumcised and circumcised adult males compared, and the un-cut glans is just so sweet and moist and pink, and the cut-version looks really dry and crusty and unhealthy. On top of all that, it *is* barbaric to cut a piece off a child that cannot consent. If he wants to get cut when he's say, 14, that should be his choice! Anyway I'm at mums and she's yelling at me to get off my phone, so couldn't say everything I wanted to and probably heaps of typos in this, I'll fix it later. But that's my two cents!

Edit; there are also sooooo many blogs and things online of women singing the praise of uncut penises (saying the same things I am) ..pretty much they are worship-worthy as far as I am concerned :P

I have nothing against circumcision (I am uncircumcised myself), however I an strongly against doing it to babies who cannot consent. I recently learned that it's illegal to circumcise children in Denmark and Sweden until they are at least 12 and capable of consenting. This law should be implemented everywhere!

[divided_sky]

Doesn't circumcision become increasingly painful the older you get? I don't have a strong opinion on it, but it does seem really fucking odd to do that.

[Evren]

It becomes increasingly obvious and memorable, in the pain department as you get older. But it's just like docking a dogs ears and tail, it's easier as a puppy because they won't remember to much.

Also there is a way to have foreskin regrowth, theres a blog dedicated to men who have worked for this outcome. It takes months, but they said it was much better, more sensitive as the process continued.

[divided_sky]

I want a foreskin transplant. I was robbbed as a baby, and I demand a return to my natural state.

I don't know, I've never quite understood why people get worked up about it. Other than the notion of changes being made to your body without your consent, I get that argument. But I've never once felt like I was "missing" part of my penis. I don't care if it's there or not, it doesn't impact my life in any way. The foreskin replacement group is a strange bunch. Nobody should spend that much time worrying about their penis.

[m4rble]

I want a foreskin transplant. I was robbbed as a baby, and I demand a return to my natural state.

I don't know, I've never quite understood why people get worked up about it. Other than the notion of changes being made to your body without your consent, I get that argument. But I've never once felt like I was "missing" part of my penis. I don't care if it's there or not, it doesn't impact my life in any way. The foreskin replacement group is a strange bunch. Nobody should spend that much time worrying about their penis.

You'd be surprised how much time some people spend worrying about their penis. I have nothing against people who want to regrow their foreskin of course.

[Evren]

A lot of those men have had actual medical problems because of lack of foreskin, including intense pain. Most of them didn't just randomally do it, if I remember correctly.

[Philip027]

No it's not. Even if it were, it's better to not do it at all.

Just going by what I've been told. There ARE a lot of things doctors do to people when they are very young because it's easier to get them done then, mind you, so I don't think this is very far-fetched.

As for whether it should be done, *shrug* I don't really care. I was told it was done for me because they were under the impression it lessened the risk of infection. They may or may not have actually been correct, but the point is that their hearts were in the right place when they did it, and I can't say it's a piece of my body I terribly miss.

It becomes increasingly obvious and memorable, in the pain department as you get older. But it's just like docking a dogs ears and tail, it's easier as a puppy because they won't remember to much.

Yes, this is basically how I had it explained to me.

I don't remember the procedure at all (along with most anything else that happened to me under the age of 5)

[Ms.Frankenstein]

Since this isnt exactly a Sex related thread... I had to post this one here.

I am an Indian... and Indians (except for the muslims) we dont get circumcised. Same goes for a lot of other cultures. It seems barbaric to me... although I dont want to hurt anyones religious sentiments.

But I came across a lot of articles, video blogs, documentaries etc. related to this. Its a huge debate in the west as well as the medical community. Some say theres no difference... others say it looks better who knows.

I want it from a woman's perspective... does it seem like a barbaric act to you?

Would you cut off a piece of your genitals just for the man to accept you as more 'clean' or aesthetically pleasing?

Is it true that an uncircumcised man gets rejected/ridiculed for being uncut?

I wouldn't cut off a part of someone's body with no medical reason without their permission. I don't want to debate the religious aspect of it (I understand both sides of it and from a religious standpoint, circumcision is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to those who practice it but I don't share those particular beliefs.)

I've seen both cut and uncut. They look different but I don't have a preference of one for the other (being an asexy chick, though, my true preference is neither so I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer this question. :P) If someone is making fun of you because of the appearance of your junk, they're not someone you want to be around anyway in my opinion.