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damage_case

Since this isnt exactly a Sex related thread... I had to post this one here.

I am an Indian... and Indians (except for the muslims) we dont get circumcised. Same goes for a lot of other cultures. It seems barbaric to me... although I dont want to hurt anyones religious sentiments.

But I came across a lot of articles, video blogs, documentaries etc. related to this. Its a huge debate in the west as well as the medical community. Some say theres no difference... others say it looks better who knows.

I want it from a woman's perspective... does it seem like a barbaric act to you?

Would you cut off a piece of your genitals just for the man to accept you as more 'clean' or aesthetically pleasing?

Is it true that an uncircumcised man gets rejected/ridiculed for being uncut?

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Philip027

From what I can tell, the only people who would really ridicule it one way or the other are the real superficial folks, anyway. I don't think most actually care

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damage_case

From what I can tell, the only people who would really ridicule it one way or the other are the real superficial folks, anyway. I don't think most actually care

Yeah... but you're a man... in mainstream media an uncut penis is joked about... there are even several humiliation porn videos (non nude) where women ridicule an uncut penis.

I'd also like a woman's perspective.

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TMI and maybe offensive to circumcised guys!

Uncut are much more lubricated, moist, pinker, softer, and so much easier to just..do things to with your mouth and hands. You can even see pics online of uncircumcised and circumcised adult males compared, and the un-cut glans is just so sweet and moist and pink, and the cut-version looks Iess, aah, moist? . On top of all that, it *is* barbaric to cut a piece off a child that cannot consent. If he wants to get cut when
he's say, 14, that should be his choice! Anyway I'm at mums and she's yelling at me to get off my phone, so couldn't say everything I wanted to and probably heaps of typos in this, I'll fix it later. But that's my two cents!

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Philip027
Yeah... but you're a man... in mainstream media an uncut penis is joked about... there are even several humiliation porn videos (non nude) where women ridicule an uncut penis.

Media/porn are not exactly the best sources of information on how people will actually react to things

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NerotheReaper

I am against doing that to babies who don't get a say, but if someone chooses to get circumcised that is their choice. But I wouldn't force a man to get one, it is up to him. If he doesn't get one that is fine, if he does get one that is fine. I am not for one to try and control other's and their body.

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damage_case

I am against doing that to babies who don't get a say, but if someone chooses to get circumcised that is their choice. But I wouldn't force a man to get one, it is up to him. If he doesn't get one that is fine, if he does get one that is fine. I am not for one to try and control other's and their body.

But do you prefer a circumcised one... maybe that preference factor may also sub consciously force them to get it done.

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NerotheReaper

I am against doing that to babies who don't get a say, but if someone chooses to get circumcised that is their choice. But I wouldn't force a man to get one, it is up to him. If he doesn't get one that is fine, if he does get one that is fine. I am not for one to try and control other's and their body.

But do you prefer a circumcised one... maybe that preference factor may also sub consciously force them to get it done.

Personally, I don't have a preference, maybe some women do

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It's unheard of in most of the world anyway. It's hardly generally ridiculed "in the west". I guess the only place in the west where it's commonplace is the US (and Israel I assume).

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Telecaster68

It's unheard of in most of the world anyway. It's hardly generally ridiculed "in the west". I guess the only place in the west where it's commonplace is the US (and Israel I assume).

I think it's a cultural convention in some Muslim communities too.

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Tarfeather

Circumsized foreskin is better than too small of a foreskin. :< That's all I know about this subject.

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damage_case

TMI and maybe offensive to circumcised guys!

Yeah as someone who has done things to both, all I can say is uncircumcised is vastly superior sexually (and aesthetically!!). They are much more lubricated, moist, pinker, softer, and so much easier to just..do things to with your mouth and hands. You can even see pics online of uncircumcised and circumcised adult males compared, and the un-cut glans is just so sweet and moist and pink, and the cut-version looks really dry and crusty and unhealthy. On top of all that, it *is* barbaric to cut a piece off a child that cannot consent. If he wants to get cut when he's say, 14, that should be his choice! Anyway I'm at mums and she's yelling at me to get off my phone, so couldn't say everything I wanted to and probably heaps of typos in this, I'll fix it later. But that's my two cents!

Edit; there are also sooooo many blogs and things online of women singing the praise of uncut penises (saying the same things I am) ..pretty much they are worship-worthy as far as I am concerned :P

I mean this as a compliment: the way you described it seems so erotic and arousing... and if that offended you im sorry... but damn you're good at explaining such stuff.

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Kathryn_K

I find all genitals repulsive....

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damage_case

I find all genitals repulsive....

Thanks for the response. But the thread/first post and the questions clearly indicate that its for those who have an opinion on circumcision and preferences.

Kindly read again... if you have an opinion it would be appreciated.

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Circumsized foreskin is better than too small of a foreskin. :< That's all I know about this subject.

Yeah I've definitely heard that BUT I'd be interested to know the statistics comparing how many men have foreskins that are too small (which is obviously painful and comes with its own complications) and how many circumcisions get botched? (like nerve damage, bad scarring, etc?) . Maybe having a foreskin that is too small (which can be fixed quite easily I believe?) is better than having permanent nerve damage or bad scarring from a botched circumcision (or because infection set in after it was done or whatever?)

I mean this as a compliment: the way you described it seems so erotic and arousing... and if that offended you im sorry... but damn you're good at explaining such stuff.

Hah I rushed that reply, I literally wrote it (typing on my phone) in like 2 minutes, because mum was yelling at me! So I'm glad I was still able to get my point across and not make a dogs breakfast of it! :lol:

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To me, someone uneducated on the subject, it sounds to me like genital mutilation. In the past (and some still) different cultures often practiced this more commonly on the females though. I don't really like the sound of it, but whatever floats your boat I guess. I think at least that you should give the person the choice. You shouldn't do it to babies.

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I just googled it and found women (and some men who had sex with other men) saying that uncircumcised actually feels a lot better inside them too (more sexually pleasurable during sex) which I wasn't aware of (as I don't enjoy the feeling of any penetration at all regardless of what's up there haha) as uncircumcised is moister and the skin moves differently and has more ridges. I notice a lot saying that even a smaller uncircumcised penis feels better than a bigger circumcised one, because less chance of irritation from the dryness of the penis etc (because uncircumcised is moister and has more natural lubrication) and more ridges for sensation. Interesting!

Of course there are people saying that to them, circumcised is better, but 1) it seems to be far fewer people saying that, and 2) they almost always seem to be using reasons like ''it's healthier for the guy'', which shows to me they are probably people who automatically support circumsision for babies, because they read old studies about it being ''better'' (which I strongly disagree with. If a guy wants to get it done when he's older though that's his choice!) ..Regarding whether or not it's healthier, I've never met a man personally who has had more issues just because he's uncut (other than the whole foreskin being too small thing which can make sex painful until it's stretched, but women often experience pain until they are ''stretched'' too and that's just ''normal''.. I haven't actually met a guy who had that issue though, I've only read about it) so yeah, I think in the future we'll find that mutilating the genitals of baby boys really isn't as necessary as some people once thought it was, and it'll be left to the guys to decide when they are older if they want it done or not (like Angelina Jolie getting both her tits removed to prevent the chance of future breast cancer..)

My opinion (other than my aesthetic preference which I already covered extensively :P) is: if it's something all people are born with naturally as a part of the human body, it should NOT be cut off! (unless the person wants to do it when they're older) ..

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damage_case

There have jokes about it in mainstream... I guess its imagined to be cleaner and to last longer since the feelings in the nerve endings are all damaged/toughened I guess.

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Tarfeather

Maybe having a foreskin that is too small (which can be fixed quite easily I believe?)

Yes, it can be fixed easily by circumcision.

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nanogretchen4

TMI

I'm American and I'm 46 years old. The first time I had sex with a man I was 21. At that time circumcision was so much the norm in this country that every diagram of a penis I had ever seen was circumcised. I had only seen a photograph of a penis once, when I was with a group of gay men and they went into a porn store. There were a lot of photos of penises in plain sight, but I was really shocked and terrified and I didn't get close enough to dwell on the details. In hindsight I realize that all the penises in the photos were of a very unusual size, because gay porn, but at the time I decided I was just going to stick with women forever.

A couple of years later I broke that resolution. By an unlikely twist of fate the first man I had sex with was uncircumcised. So I was really nervous and the whole situation was awkward anyway. And then when I couldn't actually see the head of his penis I was really confused and I thought it had somehow been cut off. Well, I didn't want to embarrass him by mentioning his tragic accident, but at the same time I was horrified and really didn't want to touch the stump. After a couple of agonizing minutes he figured out what my problem was and explained it all. So then that part was okay but it was really just the first joke in the comedy of errors that was my first brush with heterosexuality.

At this stage I have no strong preference. I'm bisexual, so I'm totally flexible about whether my partner has a penis or a vulva. It seems pretty silly to quibble about a foreskin. But do please take pity and explain things to any nervous American virgins you may encounter.

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Maybe having a foreskin that is too small (which can be fixed quite easily I believe?)

Yes, it can be fixed easily by circumcision.

Topical steroids (a cream, gel or ointment that contains corticosteroids) are sometimes prescribed to treat a tight foreskin. They can help soften the skin of the foreskin, making it easier to retract.

Phimosis can cause pain, skin splitting, or a lack of sensation during sex. Using a condom and lubricants while having sex may make your penis more comfortable.

Circumcision (surgically removing part or all of the foreskin) may be considered if other treatments have failed, but it carries risks such as bleeding and infection. Therefore, it's usually only recommended as a last resort, although it can sometimes be the best and only treatment option.

Alternatively, surgery to release the adhesions (areas where the foreskin is stuck to the glans) may be possible. This will preserve the foreskin but may not always prevent the problem recurring.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/phimosis/Pages/Introduction.aspx

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God of the Forest

From what I can tell, the only people who would really ridicule it one way or the other are the real superficial folks, anyway. I don't think most actually care

Yeah... but you're a man... in mainstream media an uncut penis is joked about... there are even several humiliation porn videos (non nude) where women ridicule an uncut penis.

I'd also like a woman's perspective.

Lol..just because philip is male doesn't make his opinion any less valid. I'm a gay man so I am attracted to the same gender that women are attracted to but I guess I can't offer an opinion cause I'm a man..darn :P

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damage_case

From what I can tell, the only people who would really ridicule it one way or the other are the real superficial folks, anyway. I don't think most actually care

Yeah... but you're a man... in mainstream media an uncut penis is joked about... there are even several humiliation porn videos (non nude) where women ridicule an uncut penis.

I'd also like a woman's perspective.

Lol..just because philip is male doesn't make his opinion any less valid. I'm a gay man so I am attracted to the same gender that women are attracted to but I guess I can't offer an opinion cause I'm a man..darn :P

No brother. His opinion is also appreciated but he believed in 'most' dont care... so thought of taking the female perspective as well. Your opinion is also welcome.

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I also find it odd you ask specifically for a female perspective. I think it would make more sense to ask for the perspective of people who are actually attracted to penises. I'm not, so the foreskin question is a non-issue for me. (as far as preference) I don't think circumcision should be done to babies who can't consent.

From what I can tell, the only people who would really ridicule it one way or the other are the real superficial folks, anyway. I don't think most actually care

Yeah... but you're a man... in mainstream media an uncut penis is joked about... there are even several humiliation porn videos (non nude) where women ridicule an uncut penis.

I'd also like a woman's perspective.

I think humiliation is a turn on for some people. That doesn't mean people actually dislike uncut penises.

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Salted Karamel

I don’t have any experience with uncircumcised penises, as far as I know? Supposedly my first sexual partner was uncircumcised, but he never let me see it, which was an odd situation in and of itself but much of that relationship was odd and didn’t work (especially sexually). But, maybe he was so ashamed and embarrassed of his uncircumcised penis that he couldn’t bare to be seen nude. I have no idea.



To me, hearing things like “I’m only interested in circumcised dicks!” is tantamount to “I’m only interested in guys whoa re at least 6 feet tall!” or “I’m only interested in guys with beards!” I roll my eyes and wonder why I’m friends with this shallow person. I don’t think I would have a preference myself, but maybe that’s part of my demisexuality… I can’t see the cut/uncut nature of the penis being more important than how I feel about the person, and therefore I don’t see why it would impede my desire to have sex with them. (I’d also probably be okay with just not having sex at all.)



I’m a non-religious American, so in my world it’s more of a cultural thing than a religious thing. It does seem barbaric, but so does ear-piercing, I suppose? (Which, by the way, I would not do to a baby.) The tricky thing with circumcision is.. I don't think it works where you can just decide at 14 (or, more responsibly, 18) that you want to get it cut off, because the penis is already developed by then, isn't it? I am under the impression that circumcised penises develop slightly differently than one that has developed with the foreskin and then the foreskin was removed in adulthood or adolescence. So there is a window of opportunity that closes before the person having that done to them can ever make the decision for themselves, and since our culture makes it so that it does have an impact on your life, I can see why people opt to have the procedure done to their sons regardless.



If I ever had a son, I would probably prefer to let the child’s father make the decision about what to do with its penis, as I feel a man would have a better grasp on what it would mean to live a life as a circumcised man vs. an uncircumcised man than I would.


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I don't think circumcision is a "barbaric" practice, but I'm not a man either. I suppose if I was a man I might have a different opinion on the matter.

I have been with both circumcised and uncircumcised partners. Visually, I like the appearance of both, and physically I can't tell a difference. I don't think there's anything wrong with being uncircumcised. As usual, it's just the American media putting pressure on people who are different than what is seen as "normal". And I think in a sexual context, it would be really rude to mock someone for the way their penis looked, seeing as they were putting themselves in a vulnerable position.

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I don't think circumcision is a "barbaric" practice, but I'm not a man either. I suppose if I was a man I might have a different opinion on the matter.

Female circumcision is a thing too, so it's not like you're not allowed to have a personal take on the matter.

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shinyostrich

It really makes me uncomfortable that people circumcise babies. Seems like they should let those people make that decision for themselves.

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It really makes me uncomfortable that people circumcise babies. Seems like they should let those people make that decision for themselves.

The thing is

1) It's generally a lot... simpler, to have it done as a baby, along with various other medical procedures

2) For those that got it done for their kids under the pretense that there would be health/cleanliness/whatever benefits, they probably won't see it as anything different than having to get vaccinations for their kids. Sure, it sucks to see something like that done to your kid (I *hated* getting shots and I raised holy hell whenever I was about to get one) but they think of it as for the greater good. Parents will have to make a ton of decisions for the kid when it comes to their well-being, or even what they think will be their well-being, because the kid will be too young to do so themselves -- and to a lot of them this is probably just one of those decisions.

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