If someone were to start a non-binary clothing line...

[gadzooks]

I've always thought that a unisex/gender-neutral skirt sounds like a great idea.

.... now I really want a cargo skort.

Count me in!

Do Utilikilts count? They're more expensive than I remembered, but they do have cargo pockets :P

(I do wonder if I'd ever be able to wear a kilt proudly, being super Scots-Irish and all, but I wouldn't look masculine enough pre-HRT and I don't know if my brain would associate them too much with feminine skirts and squick me out even if I did pass while wearing one.)

i feel like i want one. but sizing is generally... i can fit a childrens medium. my sister is smaller though. she can wear a 00 or 000 size in some stuff. i generally go for 0-2. i remember in elementary school i would order the smallest size t-shirt and it would hang below my knees. i still generally buy my (very loose) clothes small to medium. it's kindof sad really. i'm the same height as my mom and there's just... nothing there. i feel like if i got one i'd have to specially request it, and it'd still probably just fall right off...

Whatever you end up designing, please make the waists on pants/slacks fit natural waistlines. I'm on my very last nerve with this fashion trend of having waists sit on hipbones. I'm forever yanking up my pants when I stand up or bend down, and I can do with no longer seeing other people's flesh hanging over their pants, front and back. It would be much appreciated.

Good luck with your clothing projects.

A: suspenders

B: if i had to wear my pants there it would be horrible. anywhere above my hip is a no fabric zone. if the wind pushes my shirt against me i want to retch. i think it's better to just have multiple fits so everyone is fine.

I agree with Zoe. I've always hated that low riding pants trend.

that's what shirts are for. if your shirt doesn't reach down far enough to block the top of your pants, you're doing something wrong.

[Gentle Giant]

that's what shirts are for. if your shirt doesn't reach down far enough to block the top of your pants, you're doing something wrong.

I don't like the way the low riding pants fit and feel on me. They're uncomfortable. I wish that we could still have the normal waist line type pants available for those of us who don't like the low riders.

[cosmosredshift7]

Tbh of absolutely love dresses that don't have room for boobs, because they would go well with my binder

OH OR SOMEHOW CLOTHES WITH BUILT-IN BINDERS!! I could cry over how many dresses and shirts i couldn't wear with a binder because the straps to it SHOW so obviously under thinner straps. I would literally throw my money at people that create either or both of those things

[Mezzo Forte]

I've always thought that a unisex/gender-neutral skirt sounds like a great idea.

.... now I really want a cargo skort.

Count me in!

Do Utilikilts count? They're more expensive than I remembered, but they do have cargo pockets :P

(I do wonder if I'd ever be able to wear a kilt proudly, being super Scots-Irish and all, but I wouldn't look masculine enough pre-HRT and I don't know if my brain would associate them too much with feminine skirts and squick me out even if I did pass while wearing one.)

i feel like i want one. but sizing is generally... i can fit a childrens medium. my sister is smaller though. she can wear a 00 or 000 size in some stuff. i generally go for 0-2. i remember in elementary school i would order the smallest size t-shirt and it would hang below my knees. i still generally buy my (very loose) clothes small to medium. it's kindof sad really. i'm the same height as my mom and there's just... nothing there. i feel like if i got one i'd have to specially request it, and it'd still probably just fall right off...

My mom, twin, and I are similarly tiny, so I feel you on that matter. I can get away with men's 28x30 pants since I prefer them to sit low, (scoliosis affected my hip placement,) but most stores don't even make men's button-ups small enough for me. XS seems to work fine for now for my casual shirts (especially because I can't really use a binder and that size masks my chest without looking absolutely huge on me), but I've had no real luck with dress shirts yet.

Even though I probably wouldn't wear one at this stage in my life, I'm still a bit disappointed to see that Utilikilts don't come in my size.

Still, once I'm at a more stable point in my transition, I'd love to either make my own clothes or get some professionally altered to my body, especially formalwear.

[Light02]

Tbh of absolutely love dresses that don't have room for boobs, because they would go well with my binder

OH OR SOMEHOW CLOTHES WITH BUILT-IN BINDERS!! I could cry over how many dresses and shirts i couldn't wear with a binder because the straps to it SHOW so obviously under thinner straps. I would literally throw my money at people that create either or both of those things

Seconded.

Also, I think nobody has mentioned shoes yet? I don't really have any ideas about specific designs but maybe smaller "manly" shoes. I love those but I can't wear them, there aren't any that are my size.

[Niko.]

Hey, I've thought a lot about this in all these years since I saved my kid clothing for like 8 years before buying new ones. I'll drop some infos regarding it and maybe some inspiration for what you could design (I love sewing aswell, but I've got literally no time for doing it and so I just sew back what rips apart of my clothes, ahah):

[notice: this comes from a non-binary AMAB, in case you're wondering what my experience is]

Aside from my experience, Zara released a collection of things called "Ungendered"... pretty basic, lacking customization and, from my point of view, overpriced, but it is an option to consider as a "basis", as I find a couple of these things likable to a point. You already know that most of this is masculine.

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/03/105212/zara-genderless-clothing-line-2016

H&M also has, in both clothing department, unisex clothing, even if they've got no special label on them. Their whole "BASIC" department is made of things really really genderless and you can usually find pretty cool things. It's my #1 clothing shop when I need some new clothes or even a dress (which usually are oversized shirts, found mostly in the women section).

Desigual, aswell, as a lot of clothes which can be considered unisex, and you should check that DEFINITELY out. If you don't like flower patterns or 70's maybe you'll have an hard time, but you'll find something anyway.

Notequal.com has some very cool designs, but the prices are outstandigly outrageous, but some of their clothes are really, really good works.

Also, for all your "binder-integrated" designs, there are a couple of places to go to:

Whatstart tries to give some colours to binders and such, and I must say a couple of things there make me want to buy them. That should be a plus, I'm italian, I obviously know about clothes [insert sarcasm here]
http://www.amazon.com/Whatstart/b/ref=w_bl_sl_ap_ap_web_7973108011?ie=UTF8&node=7973108011&field-lbr_brands_browse-bin=Whatstart


Aside from these, there are a couple of italian (relatively cheap) brands, and atleast one of these ships in Europe (maybe worldwide? Dunno):

Terranova, my #2 brand when I go shopping (they often have very heavy discount on prices and their things are really cool)
http://www.terranovastyle.com/

And Imperial ( http://www.imperialfashion.com/) which I don't know if it ships worldwide, but has some of the best unisex collection I've seen around (their shirts have the same sizes for both men and women)

And mentioning unisex, I'd dare to say that there is basically no difference: if it's unisex, it can work for anyone! :D

[gadzooks]

that's what shirts are for. if your shirt doesn't reach down far enough to block the top of your pants, you're doing something wrong.

I don't like the way the low riding pants fit and feel on me. They're uncomfortable. I wish that we could still have the normal waist line type pants available for those of us who don't like the low riders.

i've heard that all guys pants are like that. which is the only reason my mom never forced me to try any on. it took me about a week to find the one pair of jeans i think is almost reasonable. i own about 4 pairs of the same jeans. and a lot of jeans do settle higher than i wear mine. i had to reject about 1/8 of them because they settled at or around my belly button. but i also buy mine kindof large because i lose circulation if i sit in the same spot for 15 minutes.

I've always thought that a unisex/gender-neutral skirt sounds like a great idea.

.... now I really want a cargo skort.

Count me in!

Do Utilikilts count? They're more expensive than I remembered, but they do have cargo pockets :P

(I do wonder if I'd ever be able to wear a kilt proudly, being super Scots-Irish and all, but I wouldn't look masculine enough pre-HRT and I don't know if my brain would associate them too much with feminine skirts and squick me out even if I did pass while wearing one.)

i feel like i want one. but sizing is generally... i can fit a childrens medium. my sister is smaller though. she can wear a 00 or 000 size in some stuff. i generally go for 0-2. i remember in elementary school i would order the smallest size t-shirt and it would hang below my knees. i still generally buy my (very loose) clothes small to medium. it's kindof sad really. i'm the same height as my mom and there's just... nothing there. i feel like if i got one i'd have to specially request it, and it'd still probably just fall right off...

My mom, twin, and I are similarly tiny, so I feel you on that matter. I can get away with men's 28x30 pants since I prefer them to sit low, (scoliosis affected my hip placement,) but most stores don't even make men's button-ups small enough for me. XS seems to work fine for now for my casual shirts (especially because I can't really use a binder and that size masks my chest without looking absolutely huge on me), but I've had no real luck with dress shirts yet.

Even though I probably wouldn't wear one at this stage in my life, I'm still a bit disappointed to see that Utilikilts don't come in my size.

Still, once I'm at a more stable point in my transition, I'd love to either make my own clothes or get some professionally altered to my body, especially formalwear.

if i ever really want one(more than the two booster boxes i could buy instead) i will call them and see if they can make a utilikilt small enough to fit me. 24 or 26 from 32 might be a pretty big jump though... and of course the shortest length is for the average 5'5"-5'9" person. 5'0" here...

[Random Happenstance]

colourful/feminine 'mens' shirts tend to be my thing, but they're always pretty tight, while i prefer looser things for a bunch of reasons. so looser feminine 'mens' shirts.

bright/various coloured/patterned jeans that aren't skinny jeans! i wish clothes didn't seem to have to be form fitting to have cool colours/patterns.

and, echoing many people, dresses/skirts that don't emphasise/require a chest/hips. and masculine styles of dresses/skirts. i so love the idea of this. all the shapes and sizes of all the clothes that have been thus far denied to us!

also be cool if you somewhat incorporated accessibility into it too. like... jeans without back pockets for wheelchair users, 'seamless' tighter clothes, simpler fastening options (buttons can be hard for some, like me), light fabrics, heavy fabrics. idk, think there are a lot of other ideas, but can't recall them all rn.

i'm not massively into clothes, and don't have the energy/ability to wear the ones i like these days unfortunately, but those are the things i'd love to see :D

[Kappamaki]

... Small update: I now own two cargo skorts. They are very comfy, but I still usually wear normal pant-type shorts.

[Heart]

... Small update: I now own two cargo skorts. They are very comfy, but I still usually wear normal pant-type shorts.

You're my hero.