AWhiteGyrfalcon Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 So bit of a rant ahead...apology in advance, this needs to be vented.. Who knows someone here may relate.. So as my title says...why do movie makers insist on sex?? I just watched an otherwise great historical war action movie..with some great acting. Our main lad was a Knight Templer...several times the vows & what they mean to him are aired...until naturally the leading lady seduces him into sex & then a relationship .. I think im the only one who watched it & others like it really praying he would resist seduction and stick by his vows..he resists and keeps to his vow of not killing or eating his horse...yay for that btw..in pretty awful seige where every other horse was eaten...but breaks the chastity vow..and i assume staying single... Why oh why is the wearing down of will power and giving into love and sex such a must in such movies??? Why cant he or she stick by their vow?? I would respect the charactor more..i was gutted he gave in..not saying be a stone in life but honour means more to me. Also these harsh, gritty actions do they need sex?? And vow breakin? Sich movies dont need it!! It adds nothing tp it but pleasing studios amd female auidience i assume.. Please movie makers do a movie where the hero does something truly interesting and inspiring..sticking by his word... Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_Kat Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I totally agree with you. I also hate it in movies where there are sex scenes, I feel like it is not necessary to be shown on camera. But personally, I don't enjoy romance movies, so that also contributes to me disliking those types of scenes in movies. Link to post Share on other sites
inactive12345 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I imagine an exchange like this... Director: So, here's the script for the new movie we discussed. Producer: Looks good, but let's throw some sex in there. Character A needs a love interest. Director: But... that wouldn't really be necessary. The story is complete on it's own-- Producer: Sex sells, bucko. Now get that character a love interest. Director: B-but... Okay then... *slinks off to revise the script* Considering that maybe 90% of the population can relate to the whole attraction thing, it makes sense that sex would sell. Still incredibly annoying, and I would bet that there's a fairly large number of allosexuals that agree. Link to post Share on other sites
AWhiteGyrfalcon Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 But I'm not saying don't have a live interest develop but a far more interesting film and arc to watch is the sacrifice such a vow means..chastity and singlehodd are vows..so resisting and sticking by your vow and dealing with that reality would be so much more powerful!! Im half romantic so real romance in right places is okay.. I prefer more Jane Austen style..so yeah..its done tastfully..but..sex scenes and romance just plonked in cos it sells? Aaawkward!!! I just sigh and roll my eyes Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 .so resisting and sticking by your vow and dealing with that reality would be so much more powerful!! How do you dramatise someone wrestling with their conscience and not doing anything for two hours though, so you have something engaging to point a camera at? There's only so much agonised frowning an audience can take... I've done some screenwriting, and flamingcheesecake's version can be sadly near the truth sometimes, and producers do crowbar sex in because it sells. Bear in mind the biggest single audience sector for films is teenage boys, too, and not necessarily English speaking ones, which is why flashy, superficial movies are so popular with producers: they make money. I'm sexual and there are times when the sex is clearly bolted on to films, which is irritating, but no more irritating to me than car chases, explosions, violence, stars cast because they'll get a film made, dull dialogue, formulaic plots and the like. And sometimes, even if it's artistically unnecessary, it can be hot anyway (and don't forget quite a few asexuals watch porn, too). Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I really like good movies but sex scenes annoy me a bit. I think most of directors put them because sex sells. I don't pay attention on sex scenes in movies, just skip them, because they make me uncomfortable. Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If relevant to the plot fine, but as a five minute diversion from the film, no. But, as others have said making movies is a business, and to survive you must make a profit. That means catering to the largest possible audience. Link to post Share on other sites
qpid Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 i agree with you sooo much!!! omg there have been so many movies/TV shows lately that i have just given up on because of the excessive, unnecessary amount of sex and (i don't mind as much) romance. <_< Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Quickhands Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm curious what movie you're mentioning in the OP. The Clint Eastwood western character William Munny from Unforgiven comes to mind. He and his partner are employed by prostitutes to get revenge, and I think there's more than one scene where Munny successfully turns down their offers of "payment" because he still considers himself married to his dead wife. It's a very good movie; I'd highly recommend it if you like westerns. Sir Galahad the Chaste also manages to pull it off: You are right, though; it is really rare. Frustratingly so. I actually don't mind sex in movies if it advances the plot or highlights some aspect of a character, but I really don't like it when it's gratuitous. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Well, breaking a vow of chastity is sensible to me because such a vow is really dumb. Vows not to eat one's horse... far better, as far as vows go. I don't know the movie you're referring to specifically, but I think generally speaking, chastity vows are tossed aside in movies because the main character finally meets someone who bucks all the trends, who shows the main character that sex and love can be awesome and mutually respectful, and so the need for the vow disappears. Link to post Share on other sites
Anthracite_Impreza Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 As I'm sex-repulsed I reeeeaaaally don't like sex scenes and have to hide under a cushion until it's over. My friend now tells me if such a scene is coming so I can grab my cushion, which is nice :redface: That said, I can understand why they do it. Personally I'd rather media-makers be retrained in making decent TV series and films; most seem to suck nowadays for a whole host of reasons >.< Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Quickhands Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Well, breaking a vow of chastity is sensible to me because such a vow is really dumb. Vows not to eat one's horse... far better, as far as vows go. I don't know the movie you're referring to specifically, but I think generally speaking, chastity vows are tossed aside in movies because the main character finally meets someone who bucks all the trends, who shows the main character that sex and love can be awesome and mutually respectful, and so the need for the vow disappears. Of course it's sensible to you because you wouldn't make one in the first place. But you're not a medieval Knight Templar. If you place it in the proper historical context, then the main character going back on their vow seems really hypocritical, no matter what that vow is. You could also make the argument that it does make sense for certain orders to make vows like that if the intent is for the members to devote themselves to a greater cause -- personal relationships would be a distraction to that end for those people. And of course, sometimes sex has different personal meanings to different people. Sometimes, the exercise of discipline for discipline's sake is what's valued, and it doesn't matter that specifically sex is the thing being sworn off. Or it could be something else in a symbolic sense, like Will Munny trying to remember the promises he made to his wife about not drinking and murdering. Although he ends up failing at those last two things at the end of the movie, hence the title I think we can agree that not eating the horse is the most important vow, though. Finally, a vow that's actually chivalrous in the proper sense! Link to post Share on other sites
El-not-so-ace Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 It ruins movies so often for me... :'( I'd even not mind the whole storyline including some dumb pairing off and hormone-filled characters, but why show such graphic details? Do we not all know pretty much what happens? That's why I loved Seinfeld so much. No matter how rambunctious the characters could get or how pervy the theme, they never showed graphic scenes and it was just as good. Ugh, it always makes me feel so sick, just as bad as if I'd see my friends doing the do right in my living room in front of me. Link to post Share on other sites
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Telecaster68 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 No matter how rambunctious the characters could get or how pervy the theme, they never showed graphic scenes and it was just as good I think that was more about genre conventions and commercial realities. It was a mainstream sitcom going out at peak time on a national network, based heavily on the verbals, and they never have anything that might scare the horses/advertisers. Link to post Share on other sites
El-not-so-ace Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 No matter how rambunctious the characters could get or how pervy the theme, they never showed graphic scenes and it was just as good I think that was more about genre conventions and commercial realities. It was a mainstream sitcom going out at peak time on a national network, based heavily on the verbals, and they never have anything that might scare the horses/advertisers. I know it was because of that, but that's the kind of show that there should be more of in my opinion... :/ Just because porn is so popular and out-in-the-open today, doesn't mean that other medias have to try to get as close to it as possible. Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Also, when was the last time people in a film having sex together for the first time practiced safe sex. Given how it portrayed that people are influenced by media why not mention condoms as they jump into bed? Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Given how it portrayed that people are influenced by media why not mention condoms as they jump into bed? I've seen it a few times, but generally for comedic purposes, or because there's conflict over using them. They don't get mentioned because drama is all about creating emotion in the audience, and in a sex scene, it's all about desire and urgency and sensuality, and breaking out of that for practicalities would kill the drama. They tend not to show people fumbling out of shoes and socks, or awkwardly shifting position, or removing pubes from their teeth for the same reason... in reality, it doesn't mess up the mood, but on screen, it would. Link to post Share on other sites
EmotionalAndroid Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I agree! I actually refuse to watch most modern films because of the fact that they almost always have something inappropriate in them. It is VERY POSSIBLE to make a good film without a whisper about sex or anything like that. Take any film from between 1935 and around 1950. There were strict rules back then about what you could and could not put in films (The Hays Code). It made movie producers focus on plot and character development rather than special effects or shock-value scenes. Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I agree about Hays Code forcing a better focus on plot and character - and also dialogue - but there were some very sexy scenes, just nothing graphic. Link to post Share on other sites
binary suns Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 eh sex scenes never really bothered me but then otoh I've never really actually identified with any main characters that have interest in sex so I guess technically it does xD Link to post Share on other sites
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