Artistofnoname Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 It should also be considered that a lot of these medicines are very risky and often become part of a class action lawsuit. Just remember the pharmaceutical industry isn't interested in creating cures all they care about creating customers. I'm sure there are more natural ways to help an issue like that you know homeopathically. Link to post Share on other sites
Prairie Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I think that some people want more choice than a placebo or nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 It should also be considered that a lot of these medicines are very risky and often become part of a class action lawsuit. Just remember the pharmaceutical industry isn't interested in creating cures all they care about creating customers. I'm sure there are more natural ways to help an issue like that you know homeopathically. Homeopathic medicines are created and sold for profit also. "Natural" is a word that is used in marketing; it doesn't really mean anything. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Some homeopathic remedies do work (the "natural" ways of getting rid of herpes sores have proven successful, for example, though it doesn't offer the same protection from spreading it as the drug), but yeah, most of them are pretty ... scammy and just trying to get money from desperate people. I am sure most of the women who have spent DECADES wanting their sex drive back have tried just about everything they can find. They get told about diet changes and all that and it doesn't work for them. That's why they've been screaming for a medicine to help them for so long. Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Some homeopathic remedies do work Peer reviewed sources, please. Here's mine: http://www.homeowatch.org/policy/evidence_check.pdf, and https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/cam02_nhmrc_statement_homeopathy.pdf Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Some homeopathic remedies do work Peer reviewed sources, please. Here's mine: http://www.homeowatch.org/policy/evidence_check.pdf, and https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/cam02_nhmrc_statement_homeopathy.pdf Ok - I will correct - some commonly called homeopathic remedies can work, though apparently they are mislabeled. Which, is most likely what nijikaze was talking about, not the official medical term. A lot of herbal / non-chemical remedies get labeled that when being sold. I was not aware the medical community only considered diluting those herbs in alcohol/water until very little, if any, remained and applying orally that since companies and society tend to apply the label to other things. Of course 99.9% water or alcohol does nothing except ... maybe get you drunk if you drink enough of the alcohol? :P Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 You mean 'natural remedies' then, even though that just begs the question of how you define natural and why on earth natural is innately better than synthesised. Probably not the place to go into that. But homeopathy is a very clearly defined pseudo science. And I'm being polite... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 You mean 'natural remedies' then, even though that just begs the question of how you define natural and why on earth natural is innately better than synthesised. Probably not the place to go into that. But homeopathy is a very clearly defined pseudo science. And I'm being polite... Mmm, yes "natural" or "herbal" (though, often they are also partially chemical... like GSE is "a natural dietary aid" and "natural cleaner" and yet it's made through a few synthetic chemicals and petroleum ...) - though, I never said better. The herpes medicine is made through herbal means, applied to the sores it dries them up and makes them go away much quicker. The drug doctors can give you suppresses the virus, so you don't get the outbreak to begin with (though, you may still get the occasional eruption) and makes it much less likely to spread it to anyone else. So, the drug is actually a lot better. It's just, expensive, so the herbal remedy became popular as a way to not be in pain. Only real herbal remedy I know that is considered "better" is the herbal treatments they (vets) use to treat avians with liver disease, because the medications that exist tend to be too harsh to use on their more sensitive systems. But, that's off topic. :D If a "natural" remedy to lack of sex drive existed, I am sure the women who suffer from it across the world would have tried it. If one worked, I am sure it would have become popular. Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 And of course chemical just means molecular compound. Everything is basically chemical, natural or synthetic, harmful or beneficial. 'Natural' vs 'chemical' is a false dichotomy. And I know you didn't say better.... The word 'homeopathy' triggers my skeptic soul and I tend to come out fighting. Link to post Share on other sites
Artistofnoname Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 It should also be considered that a lot of these medicines are very risky and often become part of a class action lawsuit. Just remember the pharmaceutical industry isn't interested in creating cures all they care about creating customers. I'm sure there are more natural ways to help an issue like that you know homeopathically. Homeopathic medicines are created and sold for profit also. "Natural" is a word that is used in marketing; it doesn't really mean anything. I know that as I am very much into alternatives. Natural does get abused and it takes knowing what is what to get exactly what you are looking for. Also looking at labels and certifications is helpful as well as reputation. What I am referring to is along the lines of eating the right things and maybe a mix of the right herbal supplements. I learned recently that pumpkin has quite an effect on people when it comes to this issue. Most likely reason there are seemingly high conception rates around the fall season.... Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I learned recently that pumpkin has quite an effect on people when it comes to this issue. Most likely reason there are seemingly high conception rates around the fall season.... Ah yes. Especially in areas where pumpkins don't grow... Link to post Share on other sites
Prairie Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 This is quickly descending into lala-land. I think it further discussion of efficacy in general should be split off. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 And of course chemical just means molecular compound. Everything is basically chemical, natural or synthetic, harmful or beneficial. 'Natural' vs 'chemical' is a false dichotomy. And I know you didn't say better.... The word 'homeopathy' triggers my skeptic soul and I tend to come out fighting. Yes, there is a reason I keep putting natural in quotes. :P Link to post Share on other sites
Lixt Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I'm more concerned about marketing than the drug itself. Claims of "aphrodisiacs" aren't really new, and surprise, they don't really work either, and I suspect the little effect they have is placebo effect. The difference is that spices, ginger and stuff have a lot less of side effects. But otherwise, sex drive "boosters" (or claims to be) have been there for a while, it's not something new and it didn't really change how sex is perceived. Claims that not having a sex drive is an illness isn't new either. It's not going to change much about that, I doubt an allo/ace couple is going to start having a problem about a lack of sex because they heard about the drug. If they do, the drug would clearly just be a pretext to start talking about something that's been going on for some time, unsaid. The marketing and how people, especially men, seem to misunderstand what the drug is claiming to be (no, it is NOT "female viagra", I know viagra is a reference in "sex pills" and it's easy to make comparisons, but let's not get mixed up here) is more worrying, to me. I also hope that, given the side-effects, it's going to be a drug you hear about if you go talking to your doctor about a lack of sex drive that distresses you, and not simply by watching tv. Because I can already see what the ads would look like. Associating a lack of sex drive with unhappiness, without any nuance, like it's always distressing and if you don't feel distressed then you just don't feel distressed YET but I assure you it's coming. Or how you can save your relationship, selling their drugs by using the fear of a break-up if you don't keep your cishet male partner happy (because of course an ad like that would be heteronormative), using the damaging notion of sex as a marriage/relationship duty. I just don't think sex drive is a subject fit for advertisement, it's good for a documentary, but a few seconds isn't enough to do anything but use harmful clichés. Finally I'm a bit concerned about the risk of that drug being mixed in date rape drugs. Depending on how much it's going to be misunderstood (meaning how much its effect is going to be overestimated and overselled), and how easy it could be to access it, I'm sure some sickos would add it to their little drug cocktails - adding more risk of dangerous interactions. Which is why I'm hoping for minimal coverage, and also hoping that the talk about sex drive and "(cis) female sexuality" will not be done by a corporation. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Bit Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 +-+ What if we make an asexuality pamphlet and try to get Dr.s to pass it out with the drug's pamphlet. Link to post Share on other sites
sestina Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 +-+ What if we make an asexuality pamphlet and try to get Dr.s to pass it out with the drug's pamphlet. Actually this is a great idea. Link to post Share on other sites
dash Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Some homeopathic remedies do work Peer reviewed sources, please. Here's mine: http://www.homeowatch.org/policy/evidence_check.pdf, and https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/cam02_nhmrc_statement_homeopathy.pdf Ok - I will correct - some commonly called homeopathic remedies can work, though apparently they are mislabeled. Which, is most likely what nijikaze was talking about, not the official medical term. A lot of herbal / non-chemical remedies get labeled that when being sold. I was not aware the medical community only considered diluting those herbs in alcohol/water until very little, if any, remained and applying orally that since companies and society tend to apply the label to other things. Of course 99.9% water or alcohol does nothing except ... maybe get you drunk if you drink enough of the alcohol? :P That's what I heard homeopathic meant... diluting the substance down to an extent that statistically, not a single molecule of the "active ingredient" is contained in the liquid sold, but the "essence" of it somehow remains and is able to cure people. (Not to be confused with valid herbal remedies, with actual herbs.) Link to post Share on other sites
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