Unlabeled Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I get it's supposed to be empowering (and woulda put this in the 'elitism' thread but it's locked) but isn't referring to asexuals as 'Ace' elitist and 'snooty?' Isn't an non-asexual gonna furrow their brow seeing it used like that and assume the asexual, or asexuals in general consider themselves better than non-asexuals? Link to post Share on other sites
Sisky Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I don't think so. Most people don't tend to take things literally, so I imagine their reaction to be more along the lines of "oh, they picked a nickname for themselves, how cute". You'd have to be pretty insecure about yourself to derive some kind of personal attack from a simple nickname and I just don't believe all non-asexuals are like that. Sports teams of all varieties call themselves "superior" names and for the vast majority of people it's friendly competition and means exactly nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
Iyck Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I doubt that a lot of people think of it being elitist without some additional factor playing a part in it. Though it would be really interesting to have some information on how people who aren't asexual generally think of the term and why. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Bit Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I suppose that's a possible misconception, but i haven't read a thread that mentions it so i don't think it's common. Link to post Share on other sites
m02a16ds Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 No doubt they're gonna. We urgently must rename ourselves. After all, pansexuals consider themselves kitchenware in disguise. And bisexuals consider themselves those who bid adieu 24/7. And how dared we pick such an ambiguous nickname in the first place? I mean, what's our excuse? Abbreviation? Homonymy? Polysemy? Richness of the language? Oh, come on! Who's gonna buy that? Link to post Share on other sites
Annapox Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I think the bigger problem is that a lot of people don't know that "ace" corresponds to "asexual" in the same way that "bi" and "pan" correspond to "bisexual" and "pansexual," respectively. A lot of people have no idea what I'm talking about when I call myself ace. Link to post Share on other sites
AveSatanas Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 what everybody else has said Besides which a tiny bit of asexual pride is NOT elitism. Pride is good and hurts nobody. I'm technically non-asexual and my reaction when I heard it was like oh Yeah they're proud of themselves awesome sauce. Link to post Share on other sites
VindicatorPhoenix Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I like the name "Ace," sounds cool. I guess "Ase" could be an alternative for those reading the word. Overall, I think "ace" is just a pride term that doesn't intend to hurt anyone. I mean, if you think about it, look at the term "straight," that could be interpreted as "not crooked." I guess a lot of things can seem derogatory from certain angles. If all else fails, I'm happy being called "cake!" Link to post Share on other sites
WoodwindWhistler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 This sounds like white cis men whining about how there's no white history month or straight pride parades. Except it's only internalized and annoyingly nitpicky instead of looking at large trends. Don't create problems where there are none. If any of your allo cis friends object to it, then come back and talk to us. Or better yet, just don't use the word and let us, in our own *different* social environments, use it. No doubt they're gonna. We urgently must rename ourselves. After all, pansexuals consider themselves kitchenware in disguise. And bisexuals consider themselves those who bid adieu 24/7. And how dared we pick such an ambiguous nickname in the first place? I mean, what's our excuse? Abbreviation? Homonymy? Polysemy? Richness of the language? Oh, come on! Who's gonna buy that? LOLOL I liked this post but I just had to say "Hats off to you, Good Madame," too. Link to post Share on other sites
Kire Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I've never met anyone who found the term ace snooty. I mean, words mean different things to different groups. Ace is clearly short for asexual. If we called ourselves something like superstars or idk, that would definitely be a little snooty haha. I kind of compare it to the word "gay" in my mind. It used to mean happy but now it has a different connotation to most generations. Maybe in the future, the same thing will happen to the word "ace" too. Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 As a straight white guy, my reaction was of the 'how cute' variety. It's amazing how insecure some of the members of the statistically richest, most powerful, most privileged demographic can be though. I do find squish and crush and the like a bit child-like though. Not the things themselves, just the words. Link to post Share on other sites
nanogretchen4 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 "Crush" is shorter than "sudden intense romantic love" and can easily be verbed. Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 'be verbed'? Tell me that was ironic. Link to post Share on other sites
nanogretchen4 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Sorry. "Verbing" is an actual word in American English. We're shameless. Link to post Share on other sites
El-not-so-ace Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 The way I used to explain it to close friends was that it was a cutesy version of the word asexual and they never found it bad. :P Link to post Share on other sites
LadyDrow Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I just find it easier to say ace spectrum but for those who have never heard of ace, I will say asexual spectrum. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 "Crush" is shorter than "sudden intense romantic love" and can easily be verbed. Crush is usually a high-school term. I've never heard anyone past teenage use it. Link to post Share on other sites
WoodwindWhistler Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 As a straight white guy, my reaction was of the 'how cute' variety. It's amazing how insecure some of the members of the statistically richest, most powerful, most privileged demographic can be though. I do find squish and crush and the like a bit child-like though. Not the things themselves, just the words. Can't blame them too much, though. In many contexts they're trained from boyhood to carefully guard their masculinity status lest they "fall off" and become betas. Constant fear drummed into them that they won't measure up. #patriarchyhurtsmentoo "Infatuation" is a more "proper" or "official" sounding term, and I wish it would spread into general usage, but what are ya gonna do? Squish I can't help you with. Would you like to propose a better term? Platonically infatuated is quite a mouthful. Link to post Share on other sites
Telecaster68 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 In many contexts they're trained from boyhood to carefully guard their masculinity status lest they "fall off" and become betas. Yeah, that alpha/beta crap is humanity sapping. Outside of professionally high achieving men, I've never seen the terminology used outside of US culture though, even though the idea is horribly widespread. Squish I can't help you with. Would you like to propose a better term? I assume its derivation is as a cutesy variant of crush. I seem to remember 'pash' (abbreviation of passion) gets used in Mallory Towers type books set in girls' boarding schools, but I think it's more like a crush. Thinking about it, the actual thing is fairly common - I've seen otherwise perfectly sensible professional men temporarily in thrall (which I think comes from feudal peasantry) to charismatic people in a non sexual way. Link to post Share on other sites
Lost247365 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I will start caring about non-asexual reactions to some asexual communities' terminology when they start caring about our reactions to their terminology. Link to post Share on other sites
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