How to release semen?

[C0NPAQ]

So my issue is that I am mentally almost asexual but physically I am normal. When I don't masturbate regularly, I get abdominal pain and also psychological side-effects and manic behavior that exactly correlates with the pain. I control those things currently with a combination of weak drugs/nootropics beyond what's possible through conscious efforts.

The issue is that the stuff doesn't just magically release by itself, because my psyche is not really sexual. I can't make sense of sex in dreams, as I never had or actually wanted sex. It clogs up, the testicles downregulate then give me negative effects from low testosterone. It hurts and can get really ugly and severe if I don't take some anti-inflammatory drugs.

I felt like raping myself for 16 years only to make it stop for a short while and now I have had enough of it. If I was thinking normally I could not reach orgasm and if I could reach orgasm it was like I had to become a different person. Now I have tried multiple times to not masturbate for weeks, only to be stopped by the pain problems that got really dangerously intense and are only present from the abstinence. Now with the mild medication I have not masturbated for 2 month with minimal pain. Still it is a considerable problem. I had an orgasm once a week ago in a dream, which felt like a nightmare and was incredibly taxing.

I realize that probably no one can identify with this at all. But I figured that if you do not have those semen release issues, then there must be a reason for it. Maybe you are doing something that I can't? Like relaxation techniques, some kind of nervous system control, I don't know. I read a lot about semen migrating to the bladder in BPE but I don't have that.

If you masturbate then fine. But to me it is a major problem.

[Eva]

Well, actual pain and so forth is telling you to consult an expert. Also known as a doctor. Don't worry about explaining the whole thing to a medical professional. As I always tell my friends when they're embarrassed about talking with a doctor, "They've heard it all before. No matter what it is, they've heard it before."

Welcome to the site. Have some cake . I think it's actually required that you have some cake.

[Steph Ace]

Here are some medical details I know about male genitals and pain. I have done hundreads of hours into this research as I'm in a similar boat as yourself. Frequent pain, little desire to masturbate.

TMI warnings. I will be blunt with the vocabulary.

Vasogestation (Also known as 'Blue Balls' in slang) is a build up of semen/ blood/ urine inside the testicles which may or may not occur aside prolonged arousal. This is common phenomenon that is regarded as a 'mild pain' to most when it occurs. However as an asexual who has a partner, I can confirm that the pain is intense (since I am aroused for pro-longed periods of time without doing anything sexual) which most heternormative males would not experience. Relief of Vasocongestation comes in the form of masturbation and/or urination depending on the situation. Masturbation (assuming it is sourced from arousal) corrects semen and blood flow. Urination removes excess urine trapped in the tubes. There will still be pain following the release and/or removal, however it will be a sore pain and not intense.

Wet Dreams (Orgasming during sleep) is a natural occurrence for male bodied individuals who do not orgasm for prolonged periods of time (Usually spanning 3-5 weeks). Wet Dreams occur to remove 'dead' sperm from within the body to replace with fresh, healthy ones. It is difficult to avoid if one is abstaining from masturbation/ sexual activity.

A vasectomy will not correct vasocongestation as it only prevents sperm from being added into semen. It doesn't prevent semen from entering the testicles and releasing during orgasm. A pity, I know.

I have never come across your situation before where prolonged abstinence results in pain. Is it what I had described above?

[Guest]

I think I've heard about this issue and the only thing I can suggest is talking to a doctor.

[MoraDollie]

If you haven't, please bring this up with a doctor. This is a doctor problem, not ask strangers over the internet. If your body is in pain, that it's way of telling you that something physically is NOT ok.

[Palovana]

I agree with the other posts. Semen is usually just absorbed by the body if it's not released through sex/masturbation/nocturnal emission, but I've never heard of it hurting before...

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Is it necessary for men to release it?

[Steph Ace]

Is it necessary for men to release it?

As I stated above, it can be painful if there is build-up (usually associated with arousal but not always). However it is usually released nocturnally after 3-5 weeks during sleep.

Depends on the person I'd say.

[Ricecream-man]

TMI I guess?

If you're not aroused then there shouldn't be any pain.

The one Steph mentioned is only really during a state of arousal and it's mostly an issue of a sort of pressure buildup. The non aroused type of "Blue Balls" usually stems from genetic issues regarding your sex organs. I would definitely recommend going to a doctor and getting more information, especially if you're not aroused. There are other ways to release as you said but they're not methods that I want to publicly discuss nor methods that I would recommend.

May I ask when the pain occurs? If it's your libido that worries you there are indeed ways to reduce it. If your pain occurs outside of arousal it's a bit of an issue.

[StormTheSorrow]

So my issue is that I am mentally almost asexual but physically I am normal. When I don't masturbate regularly, I get abdominal pain and also psychological side-effects and manic behavior that exactly correlates with the pain. I control those things currently with a combination of weak drugs/nootropics beyond what's possible through conscious efforts.

It seems to me like you've already found the solution. Just masturbate. Wouldn't that be the simplest?

So you've come to find out that you're asexual. That's cool. But you're also still human.

If your sexual organs want some of your attention just take it as a sign of being a healthy male. There's plenty of other things that could cause your manhood to not work that would be a way bigger pain in the ass to deal with.

[Noky]

Here are some medical details I know about male genitals and pain. I have done hundreads of hours into this research as I'm in a similar boat as yourself. Frequent pain, little desire to masturbate.

TMI warnings. I will be blunt with the vocabulary.

Vasogestation (Also known as 'Blue Balls' in slang) is a build up of semen/ blood/ urine inside the testicles which may or may not occur aside prolonged arousal. This is common phenomenon that is regarded as a 'mild pain' to most when it occurs. However as an asexual who has a partner, I can confirm that the pain is intense (since I am aroused for pro-longed periods of time without doing anything sexual) which most heternormative males would not experience. Relief of Vasocongestation comes in the form of masturbation and/or urination depending on the situation. Masturbation (assuming it is sourced from arousal) corrects semen and blood flow. Urination removes excess urine trapped in the tubes. There will still be pain following the release and/or removal, however it will be a sore pain and not intense.

Wet Dreams (Orgasming during sleep) is a natural occurrence for male bodied individuals who do not orgasm for prolonged periods of time (Usually spanning 3-5 weeks). Wet Dreams occur to remove 'dead' sperm from within the body to replace with fresh, healthy ones. It is difficult to avoid if one is abstaining from masturbation/ sexual activity.

A vasectomy will not correct vasocongestation as it only prevents sperm from being added into semen. It doesn't prevent semen from entering the testicles and releasing during orgasm. A pity, I know.

Vasogestation isn't a real term. I don't remember hearing it in school, and I don't see it online or in any of my books. Broken down the word basically means the pregnancy of blood vessels, which makes no sense.

I would also like to point out that there is no way for urine to normally get into your testicles. The flow in the vas deferens is supposed to be one way, so only in rare cases will you get some kind of back flow.

I honestly think that the severity, aside from individual differences, is just psychological.

Is it necessary for men to release it?

No, and I mean no, because I really hate when guys say this to coerce women into sex. Ejaculation is not necessary for physical well-being, blue balls is generally more of a discomfort, but tolerance levels differ between people. Still, if release isn't granted, nothing bad is going to happen. As another person had said, spermatozoa are generally reabsorbed. I can't remember the time it takes, but your body isn't going to continue making sperm until your testicles pop. There is constant monitoring of sperm production, with increased activity at decreased sperm levels and vice-versa.

Lastly, regardless of whether you get a vasectomy, semen should not be entering your testes. Seminal fluid is produced in the seminal vessicles, a separate set of glands attached near the prostatic urethra at the end of the vas deferens. Basically, when, and only when you ejaculate, sperm enters the prostatic urethra through the vas deferens, simultaeneously with seminal fluid from the seminal vesicles, but they don't mix at any point before that, so you don't have seminal fluid back-tracking into your testes either.

But in response to the OP, you really need to see a doc, because you sound like you're having more than just genito-urinary problems. You need someone to take a good history of your problem, and spend time working on a diagnosis. Regardless, I'm really sorry that you're having the problems you're describing, and I hope that you can get them sorted out.

[Steph Ace]

Here are some medical details I know about male genitals and pain. I have done hundreads of hours into this research as I'm in a similar boat as yourself. Frequent pain, little desire to masturbate.

TMI warnings. I will be blunt with the vocabulary.

Vasogestation (Also known as 'Blue Balls' in slang) is a build up of semen/ blood/ urine inside the testicles which may or may not occur aside prolonged arousal. This is common phenomenon that is regarded as a 'mild pain' to most when it occurs. However as an asexual who has a partner, I can confirm that the pain is intense (since I am aroused for pro-longed periods of time without doing anything sexual) which most heternormative males would not experience. Relief of Vasocongestation comes in the form of masturbation and/or urination depending on the situation. Masturbation (assuming it is sourced from arousal) corrects semen and blood flow. Urination removes excess urine trapped in the tubes. There will still be pain following the release and/or removal, however it will be a sore pain and not intense.

Wet Dreams (Orgasming during sleep) is a natural occurrence for male bodied individuals who do not orgasm for prolonged periods of time (Usually spanning 3-5 weeks). Wet Dreams occur to remove 'dead' sperm from within the body to replace with fresh, healthy ones. It is difficult to avoid if one is abstaining from masturbation/ sexual activity.

A vasectomy will not correct vasocongestation as it only prevents sperm from being added into semen. It doesn't prevent semen from entering the testicles and releasing during orgasm. A pity, I know.

Vasogestation isn't a real term. I don't remember hearing it in school, and I don't see it online or in any of my books. Broken down the word basically means the pregnancy of blood vessels, which makes no sense.

I would also like to point out that there is no way for urine to normally get into your testicles. The flow in the vas deferens is supposed to be one way, so only in rare cases will you get some kind of back flow.

I honestly think that the severity, aside from individual differences, is just psychological.

Vasocongestion is the swelling of bodily tissues caused by increased vascular blood flow and a localized increase in blood pressure. Typical causes of vasocongestion in humans includes menstruation, sexual arousal, REM sleep, strong emotions, illnesses and allergic reactions...Vasocongestion is essential for sexual procreation in mammals since this is the force that causes the hardening of a penis during an erection.

I included Urine and Semen in the 'backflow' because yes, I have experienced the same intense pain and discomfort, and managed to relieve said pain after removing each liquid in each situation.

Yes, "Blue Balls'' is often used in sexual coercion. However that negative aspect also 'invalidates' any potential research on a very real pain. I created such a thread back on October 14th, 2014, which sparked my research into vasocongestation. I invite to you read the thread in full about the discussion. I have no medical knowledge and only my own sought out experimenting and research. Being asexual, I don't engage in sexual activity on a regular basis. Being in a romantic relationship, I could be aroused for an extended period of time without doing anything (They are a cuddle person). So while it may be a 'mild' pain to most, often I can't even walk from the pain.

[Noky]

Vasocongestion is the swelling of bodily tissues caused by increased vascular blood flow and a localized increase in blood pressure. Typical causes of vasocongestion in humans includes menstruation, sexual arousal, REM sleep, strong emotions, illnesses and allergic reactions...Vasocongestion is essential for sexual procreation in mammals since this is the force that causes the hardening of a penis during an erection.

I included Urine and Semen in the 'backflow' because yes, I have experienced the same intense pain and discomfort, and managed to relieve said pain after removing each liquid in each situation.

Yes, "Blue Balls'' is often used in sexual coercion. However that negative aspect also 'invalidates' any potential research on a very real pain. I created such a thread back on October 14th, 2014, which sparked my research into vasocongestation. I invite to you read the thread in full about the discussion. I have no medical knowledge and only my own sought out experimenting and research. Being asexual, I don't engage in sexual activity on a regular basis. Being in a romantic relationship, I could be aroused for an extended period of time without doing anything (They are a cuddle person). So while it may be a 'mild' pain to most, often I can't even walk from the pain.

For the vasocongestion thing- I'm saying that what you wrote is wrong. You said it was called vasogestation, which does not exist.

To be honest, I have no real knowledge on what causes 'blue balls'. It's a shady topic that was barely mentioned and none of my patients have so far complained of. Regardless, and I notice it's not even listed in your quote, I don't think it would be the main cause for 'blue balls'. I think I might be leaning more towards a smooth muscle spasm for a cause, but from what I remember of the GU anatomy and process of male arousal, I don't think vasocongestion would be the reason.

But yeah, I'm not a urologist, and unfortunately there are basically 0 scientific papers I can find on this right now, so that's all that I can tell you.

But, just reading that you are having this much pain from something you go through frequently is really unsettling. I have to admit that I don't envy you on that. I think that it's a good idea that you're trying to read up on it though, and it might be something for urologists to look into, at least to determine the prevalence of the problem. Just keep in mind that not everything you read is current or accurate, and you gotta be careful with terminology sometimes when you're describing things :3.

I'ma read the topic you posted when I have time, but if you do find anything overly-technical you cans end me a line to check it out, it never hurts to do more research.

Btw, if the pain you're having is relieved by urinating, it might not necessarily be that urine is back-tracking into your testes, as I said that's pretty rare. It could be that your bladder is just pretty distended. It does sit right on top of the prostate, where a lot of other secretions for the semen are made, and increased contact could cause irritation or even arousal to some degree. I've noticed that a full bladder tends to make me get erections more frequently, and make them harder to just ignore, so I try to pee regularly to avoid that. It's good for your overall health anyway.

[Steph Ace]

For the vasocongestion thing- I'm saying that what you wrote is wrong.

Went back and reviewed, that was a spelling error on my part. You can see later in the paragraph I spell it correctly. My mistake.

[WünderBâhr]

Oh, typos. The hobgoblins of the internet... :p

I don't really have anything to add from experience, as I am biologically female, and do not experience this particular issue. From what I have read in this thread, thusfar, I believe everyone agrees that it would be beneficial to discuss these issues with a doctor/a medical professional/specialist. It is unfortunate that you have/are experiencing pain, OP. I hope you are able to find a solution that fits your needs.

Moved to The Gray Area, Sex and Related Discussions forum.

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[C0NPAQ]

Thank you for your replies. First of all, please stop recommending to see a doctor. I can understand that it intutively makes sense to people, that pain is not good and a doctor can help pain. However, a doctor will realize the issue is that I did not masturbate and simply recommend that I do. Since I am already aware of this, it defeats the purpose of visiting a doctor entirely. Additionally I also have observed this exact process many times now, each time it was possible to cure it with masturbation. I do not suffer from an infection or similar by coincidence. It is simply not a doctor problem.

Also be careful when drawing parallels to vasectomy. In vasectomy, people still ejaculate. About 10-20% of people suffer from some kind of chronic pain and it is suggested that discomfort is even higher. The so called "reabsorption" was found to more than often not occur inside the vas deferens (as you would intuitively think of it), but inside the body where semen leaks through the ruptured scar from the cut or other ruptures. Since I have no scar, the semen bulks up and transfers pressure back to the testes. This pressure can lead to epididymal blowout (a rupture of the epididymis inside the testes), found to occur in 50% of all people who had vasectomy done.

Vasectomy actually lacks a fair deal of research on long-term human safety in respect to quality of life (not merely survival), because of ethical restrictions (e.g. accurately determining weight of testicles by dissection and accurate projections of testosterone variance by using inbred strains in controlled environments). In absence of this research, the very clear findings of corresponding research on other mammals are strangely almost entirely ignored. E.g. a larger body of research shows that vasectomy leads on the far long-term to shrinkage of the testes, accompanied by lowered testosterone. You will find this research mostly on rats, mice and rabbits. Those species are arguably smaller, have larger testicles than humans in relation to body weight and faster reproductive cycles. Thus the significance of the shrinkage and testosterone loss that occurs in response to vasectomy is not exactly known in humans so far.

You would believe that the excess material just releases at night when vessels are less tense or during urination. But I could not find any evidence of this for myself so far. Quite the contrary.

@ ♥ Steph ♥:

When I notice that the pain is getting too strong, I do relaxation techniques. Either hypnosis or ASMR videos. I also occasionally take a self-prescribed drug called baclofen. I have found that some minimal release occurs if tension is followed immediately by relaxation. The culprit is not arousal, but vessel tension that is invoked by arousal. Caffeine and nicotine for example are vasoconstrictors, thus directly worsen the problem.

In my experience blue balls only occur from sexual arousal, not non-sexual arousal and it creates even more pressure. Sexual arousal can also occur subconsciously without sexual stimuli. I notice this when everything I do feels sexual to me (e.g. reading, thinking, working, talking to people).

I have spent 3 years on figuring out how to solve this somehow. But the results are not really that promising. I believe the ejaculatory ducts can somehow be directly controlled by the nervous system. If I could gain this control, then I could keep the pressure at a constant low level and eliminate all associated problems.

[Philip027]

Thank you for your replies. First of all, please stop recommending to see a doctor. I can understand that it intutively makes sense to people, that pain is not good and a doctor can help pain. However, a doctor will realize the issue is that I did not masturbate and simply recommend that I do. Since I am already aware of this, it defeats the purpose of visiting a doctor entirely. Additionally I also have observed this exact process many times now, each time it was possible to cure it with masturbation. I do not suffer from an infection or similar by coincidence. It is simply not a doctor problem.

Then you just need to speak up and say that's not a viable solution for you. Doctors should know more than anyone that there isn't always one specific cure-all for every situation.

My mom has a couple of cats as pets, despite being allergic to them to the point where she was asking our doctor for recommended treatment. Wanna know what the first thing the doc said to her was? Get rid of the cats. My mom simply replied, that wasn't an option for her. So since then they have went through various other allergy medications, looking for what works best.

People are telling you to see a doctor because pretty much nobody here is qualified to give any kind of serious medical advice over the internet, particularly if it has to do with medication. If someone advises the wrong thing for you, even accidentally, to the point where it causes a serious complication or death, that is something that can potentially get the poster (and this site) in big trouble with the law.

[Sally]

Despite your direction to us to not advise you to see a doctor, I will do so. Pain experienced anywhere, for any reason, should be discussed with a doctor. You may search for information, but you are not a physician with years of academic training in physiology/biology, etc., and years of experience actually treating diseases and conditions. I also echo what Philip above says: we can't give you any medical advice.

[Ricecream-man]

CONPAQ,

You didn't specify when the pain occurs so I stand by my statement that if the pain is occurring when you're not aroused you should see a doctor.

[Guest]

A doctor may recommend masturbation, however, you, as the patient, can decline that method of treatment and recommend they find the actual cause. There should not be this much pain simply from not masturbating. Especially since there are times in anyones life where that isn't even viable as a solution, imagine going on a vacation or something where you have no privacy and a doctor expecting you to do that where you could be seen! Not everyone is able to orgasm through masturbation in a cramped bathroom, or public restroom. Plus, some people do not believe in it due to religious reasons and would not under any circumstances. Any doctor that would try to force that as the only solution would be a quack, not a real physician.

This could be caused by many things. And it's really not "normal" to experience such severe pain from semen retention. There are philosophies that practice semen retention for health, because they feel it is more relaxing and better for the body - if this much pain was a common side effect, I think at least those men would know about it. They even have sex without ejaculating, which they say is often more pleasant, so if they were experiencing pain it would be odd to consider it so pleasant. You could go to a semen retention forum group and discuss it, as they use a lot of meditation techniques to avoid orgasms, even in their sleep, as the philosophy states it's as energy draining to release semen as it is to drain your own blood (based on the loss of "chi"). Given I have read stories from some of them saying they only allow semen release a few times a year, they would probably have the most first-person experience with the side effects and difficulties of keeping it in.

[C0NPAQ]

Where can I find such forums?

To be honest, I have never found even a single person who managed to abstain from masturbation/sex long-term without some kind of frequent natural release mechanism (e.g. wet dreams or passing it with the urine easily). Most people I have read about had medical conditions they tried to cure, or weren't aware of at the time. It just hardly happens in my case. Then of course hundreds have tried and failed shortly after.

A community for this would be great. If it existed.

Also there is no medical option. A doctor who only recommends masturbation is just a reasonable doctor. You can only pump yourself full of muscle relexants until literally everything flows out of your body. The second option is to invoke spasms with a high voltage anal probe under anesthesia .. So what can be done is just entirely out of place.

Everyone's body is different. Rarely ever men live in abstinence, 1 month or 2 month plus. When you are on vacation, you just masturbate on the toilet or something. I have read about people being able to release it just like that when urinating. Sounded a lot like BPE though. There are those rare cases where people are naturally abled to do it without major issues. Generally the older you are, the easier it gets. Prostate becomes larger and testicles lower production. I am 28 though, not 50+.

[binary suns]

[Steph Ace]

steph, i dont think you should trust your source. the infirmationed you coveyed doesnt sound accurate to me.

Which sources? Aside from the Wikipedia definition of Vasocongestation, the vast majority of information has been from my own experiences and experiments.

Not saying that they are not wrong, as my observation and experiences can be. But these are just what I report

[C0NPAQ]

Yesterday the pain was very pressing again. But this night I had my second wet dream (11 days ago was the first one). It was not sexual again. Still I can't control it. If I had not slept 12 hours but only 8 the night, I would not have had the dream and still experience pain today. There must be something better to break out of the pain cycle, than just sleeping and hoping for the right dream to happen. I think I am getting better at relaxation techniques. Unfortunately it is just hard to tell if they work at all, if there is no constant overpressure that creates some reliable sensory feedback. I don't know if you could call a wet dream an orgasm. It feels pleasant from the release, but not sexually and not consciously. Literally as if just dreaming of it. Also it didn't really pump out, but it was more like a continuous flow. Very strange, I was only half awake.

Also I have been taking iodine supplements (200-400ug/day) and it seems to make it easier. Other than that, acetylcysteine (1200-1800mg) has clearly helped. I also chew nicotine gum and drink yerba mate, no idea if that is important.

Overall I started to quit masturbating for 5 weeks until 2 month ago, then masturbated maybe 1 or 2 times in frustration, then quit again until the present day.