zorgonslayer Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I watched "Nymphomaniac" (film) by Lars Von Trier, which presented the dilemma of a cis-fem sex addict and her eventual rejection of her sexuality. She meets a fully asexual cis-male to whom she recounts her story. Has anyone seen this masterpiece? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymphomaniac_(film) Link to post Share on other sites
Bhakti Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Yes, I've seen it, both parts one and two. Link to post Share on other sites
eched Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Masterpiece? MASTERPIECE!? This film is on my avoid at all cost list. Like, at the end, going off of every review I read... The asexual tries to rape the main lady out of nowhere and then is killed for it. It actually has an asexual try to rape a girl at the end of the film, and there is no reason or logic behind it. It just happens and then the film ends. Suggesting God only knows what about us. To say the least, I don't want to see it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 YOU GUYS. I firmly believe Lars Von Trier is asexual. I've tried talking to people about this but they look at me like I'm crazy. But the way he involves sexuality in all his movies... he is not a guy who "gets" or enjoys sexuality, that's for damn sure. EDIT: by the by, even as a sexual, Nymphomaniac seems waaaay too sexual for me to deal with (plus Shia's peen? No thank you). I will watch it eventually though, as I do with all of Mr. VT's films. I'm still recovering from the pile of crap that was Antichrist. Link to post Share on other sites
eched Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I wouldn't say that. To be honest the only film I saw of his was Antichrist and yes that showed sex in a bad light, but to be honest it was a straight up disturbing horror film and sex negative themes are pretty common in horror from the Alien films, to Hellraiser, and to Last House On the Left. It's practically a cliché of horror. So, not really to out of place and being sex negative doesn't equal asexual. And once again, if he was asexual, why represent us in such a horrible way? Unless he's heavily in the closet and hates his own sexuality. Edit: I agree 100% though on Antichrist being a pile of crap. :P 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Kellam Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I haven't watched one of his movies since Dancer in the Dark and intend to keep it that way. I did hear (from film nerd friend's facebook posts) that he may not make any more flicks as he just got out of rehab for a serious addiction problem and has lost his drive. As an artist who has been through recovery I can relate to that. My point is that he stated in this announcement that he had written all of his films during massive binges. That may be part of the explanation for the disturbing excesses and negativity of his output. Link to post Share on other sites
knout Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 -post may include spoilers- Vol. 1 was just an awful mess of trying to push boundaries of what can be shown, nothing really saved it for me, maybe Charlotte Gainsbourg's narration if anything. Vol. 2 was quite nice, I thought it was going somewhere, even the sex seemed to actually involve more than just meat pounding. There was even asexuality mentionned and I was going to totally love it... except the end scene came and I just thought "wai.what?". So I just had a very bad feeling at the end, that everything led up to a ridicule of the asexual notion. That when a main (male) character is asexual they're just pent up. I still think volume 2 was good overall, but definitely not on an awareness/asexual point of view. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Wow I gave up on this movie after about an hour..I don't mind movies about sex but god it was just so boring and fake lol.. I have known female sex addicts, but.. meh.. they weren't like the main female was presented. Also, Shiloh L.. however you spell it; his acting caused me physical pain. I suffered. haha. So anyway, going to watch both films now so I can see the asexual raping/trying to rape the chick, then I'll be able to bitch about how ridiculously stupid this is with full knowledge of what I'm actually talking about. Link to post Share on other sites
eched Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Good luck. Though it would be helpful to see the film in order to complain about it properly, I'm sorry, but I just can't. I can only handle so bad it's good if it's camp horror. Link to post Share on other sites
zorgonslayer Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 ok, its true that Lars portrayed the ace community badly with the ending, but I don't think that was his intention. He wanted to show the depravity of the large majority of cis-males (something the character Seligman himself spoke of) and have a dark ending. Sorry if it seemed as if I suggested a good portrayal of the ace community. That's not what I meant. Either way, he is an amazing director, and melancholia is definitely my second favorite of his. It had some elements of rejecting sexuality as well I believe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Salmacis Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Just... Still can't decide if his character was supposed to be from Australia or Manchester. Charlotte Gainsbourg is awesome though. :) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I've seen only 'Breaking the Waves' ( twice), 'Dogville' and 'Dancer in the Dark'. I really liked the first one. I've noticed he use to show sex scenes in a very naturalistic way and sexuality is shown in rather negative way, so it sounds as the director was asexual or sex-repulsed but I'm not sure. Unless someone comes out first , we can only suppose Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Warning: spoiler for Dogville, talk about sex Oh did he do Dogville? I liked that movie! I'm a little sick though of people speculating that because sex is portrayed so negatively in his movies, Lars Von Trier must be asexual. One would think an asexual would make a movie with little to no sex at all, as opposed to showing women getting raped and other forms of sexual violence. Also, asexuality does not automatically equal sex negativity, there are a lot of very sex negative sexual people just there are many sex positive asexual people. In Dogville, she gets tied up and raped repeatedly by all the men in the village, that to me is not showing asexuality, it's showing how depraved people can be when given total power over another human. And one would think if he really was an asexual, why would he portray an asexual attempting to rape a woman? Wouldn't he understand that an asexual really would not try to rape a person, and showing them doing so only confuses people as to what asexuality is? Sounds more like he just enjoys portraying sex in a negative light in his movies. Also sounds like he really doesn't believe it's possible for a man not to want to fuck a woman if given the opportunity, even if the man identifies as asexual. And Antichrist had regular sex scenes didn't it? It was a long time ago that I saw it (got it out purely for the graphic warning on the front lol: ''Warning: content may disturb - contains extremely graphic imagery of genital mutilation, explicit sex scenes, and brutal violence'' haha totally had to get it out) but there was enjoyable sex in amongst all the messed-up stuff wasn't there, at the start anyway? oooh haha.. I just searched his other movies, he also made ''Idiots'' in which a group of people pretend to be mentally disabled and go out in public causing havoc. There is also large extremely graphic (you see repeated full male-female genital insertions etc) happy-go-lucky orgy scenes where everyone is having a great time. No abuse, no rape, just an epic orgy among friends. I was about 15 when I saw that one though, so I'd have to watch it again to remember what actually happens in the end, but yeah, the orgy scenes weren't violent or anything, they were just pornographically-explicit sex scenes. I personally think this director loves sex (from the amount of it shown in his movies) and feels that sexual desire is intrinsic in all humans (hence showing the asexual attempting to rape the woman) but he also see's it in a pretty negative light (ie Nicole Kidman getting raped repeatedly in Dogville when the men get power over her - which yes these things do happen in real life) and he also likes pushing sexual boundaries to illustrate human depravity and to disturb and shock people. Link to post Share on other sites
Alan Degas Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I don't think Lars Von Triers portrayal of sex has anything to do with him being a closeted asexual or whatever. I think he's just Danish. Adding explicit sex scenes is just the norm in Danish filmmaking. I'm not kidding. Even a children's movie having full of nudity does not surprise in the least. Lars just had to kick it up a notch to stand out. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Well, I would explain why I think what I think, but it obviously enrages you guys, so forget it. Link to post Share on other sites
Måskemigselvetsted Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I don't think Lars Von Triers portrayal of sex has anything to do with him being a closeted asexual or whatever. I think he's just Danish. Adding explicit sex scenes is just the norm in Danish filmmaking. I'm not kidding. Even a children's movie having full of nudity does not surprise in the least. Lars just had to kick it up a notch to stand out. It's not sexual just because there is nudity. I can't really remember any children's movie with sexual nudity (the closest I can think if is "Min søsters børn i sneen" but that was a comical effect, I think, nothing sexual). Anyway, you must have been watching different Danish movies than me, I can think of plenty (also not children's movies) without explicit sex scenes, so I don't think his nationality can be used as a reason. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
eched Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 It doesn't enrage me Skullery Maid. I was just saying my view point. I know on the internet it can seem like people are upset when they aren't. Link to post Share on other sites
Valar Morghulis Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Havent seen the movie and after the little jewel at the end you guys are talkin about I definitely wont be seeing it. Just... Still can't decide if his character was supposed to be from Australia or Manchester. Charlotte Gainsbourg is awesome though. :) What the hell is this? xD 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Salmacis Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Havent seen the movie and after the little jewel at the end you guys are talkin about I definitely wont be seeing it. Just... Still can't decide if his character was supposed to be from Australia or Manchester. Charlotte Gainsbourg is awesome though. :) What the hell is this? xD Shia Labeouf (who basically ruined the Nymphomaniac movies with his terrible acting skills and dreadful accent) also has, shall we say, a kind of facetious 'cult following'. I dunno... first time my friend sent me a link to that 'musical' I was in hysterics. :) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I don't think Lars Von Triers portrayal of sex has anything to do with him being a closeted asexual or whatever. I think he's just Danish. Adding explicit sex scenes is just the norm in Danish filmmaking. I'm not kidding. Even a children's movie having full of nudity does not surprise in the least. Lars just had to kick it up a notch to stand out. I recently saw a Santa movie with hundreds of naked Santa's, full on male frontal nudity everywhere you look haha. Hmm... was that Danish, or Dutch? or something else? .. Awesome Santa movie anyway haha, that and Bad Santa :P Well, I would explain why I think what I think, but it obviously enrages you guys, so forget it. Not enraged! Just giving my point of view. Link to post Share on other sites
paperwishes Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Havent seen the movie and after the little jewel at the end you guys are talkin about I definitely wont be seeing it. Just... Still can't decide if his character was supposed to be from Australia or Manchester. Charlotte Gainsbourg is awesome though. :) What the hell is this? xD Shia Labeouf (who basically ruined the Nymphomaniac movies with his terrible acting skills and dreadful accent) also has, shall we say, a kind of facetious 'cult following'. I dunno... first time my friend sent me a link to that 'musical' I was in hysterics. :) I am part of this cult. I love Shia. He fascinates me. However I am not going to watch the Nympomaniac movies because I feel real uncomfortable watching sex scenes Link to post Share on other sites
Another One Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I've seen "The Nymphomaniac", cannot say I enjoyed it but cannot say it made me uncomfortable either, though I hate watching sex scenes usually. "The Nymphomaniac" contains so much sex and nudity that I didn't see it as real sex and watched the sexual scenes as if it was some kind of biology textbook LOL As to the ending, for me personally it was a really bad surprise. Why show such kind of nerdy asexual I could finally identify with, and then turn him into a rapist?! Anyway, a few days after we somehow started to discuss this movie in a group of grad students, and one asked my opinion about the film and what I remembered most about it. My answer was "mmmm well, I disagree with the opinion of the chief male character regarding Eastern vs Western Christianity".... Link to post Share on other sites
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